“It’s Not About the Money”–Interview with Brent Kessel

Posted: July 10th, 2009 | Author: Joelle Hann | Filed under: Author - Joelle Hann, Frugal Resources, Money | Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , | 1 Comment »
Brent Kessel

Brent Kessel

I thought it would be appropriate for a site dedicated to frugal living to hear a few words from someone who spends his days and nights advising people on their money–and helping them to use it better.

Financial planner Brent Kessel is the C.E.O. of Abacus Portfolios and President and co-founder of Abacus Wealth Partners. I met him at the Yoga Journal conference in New York in May, where he was presenting at the 2-day “business of yoga” workshop.

Kessel, a long-time yoga practitioner, has been able to combine his wealth of financial experience (pun intended) with the mental discipline and spiritual insight of his yoga practice to come up with some pretty fascinating theories on our relationships to money. And, some helpful techniques for taming the financial beasts within.

In his talk–and in his book It’s Not About the Money: A Financial Game Plan for Staying Safe, Sane, and Calm in Any Economy–he outlined 8 major money archetypes as he sees them: the Guardian (worry/prudence), the Saver (hoarding/abundance), the Innocent (avoidance/hope), the Pleasure Seeker (hedonism/enjoyment), the Caregiver (enabling/empathy), the Idealist (distrust/vision), the Star (pretentiousness/leadership), and the Empire Builder (greed/innovation).

I was so fascinated that I took another workshop with him a few weeks after the conference. I found out (no surprise for a Frugaltopian) that I’m a Guardian and a Saver—also, to my surprise, an Idealist and a Pleasure Seeker.

Brent was gracious enough to agree to an interview with Frugaltopia. So, I’m happy to pass some of the super interesting insights outlined in his book “It’s Not About the Money” (Buy it! You won’t be sorry!) on to you, dear readers.

Interview with Brent Kessel

Frugaltopia: Do many people avoid looking frankly at their financial situation? If yes, do you know why?

Brent Kessel: Almost everybody avoids looking at some part of their situation. I call it their Money Mask. This is the part of us that hopes the world will see us a bit differently than we know ourselves to be. Most want to appear to have more income and assets than they do, primarily because in our culture, that’s synonymous with approval, success, praise. They are like a drug fix that allows us to avoid emptiness, restlessness, or sadness. However, because they’re ego-driven, they’re completely impermanent. So the only lasting solution becomes an addiction to more and more.

Frugaltopia: How did you come up with the idea of the 8 archetypes that best describe most people’s money issues?

Brent Kessel: Mostly just by observing the patterns that people get stuck in year after year, even if they sell a business or get a big inheritance. And these patterns are almost entirely based on past conditioning. It seemed an easy way to give us a common language for identifying our weaknesses and strengths, and to cultivate more balance.

Frugaltopia: Is there one archetype that seems to do better financially than others? Why is that, in your opinion?

Brent Kessel: It really depends how you define better. If it’s defined as increasing your net worth or financial security, it’s likely the Saver, or sometimes the Guardian. If it’s defined as voluntary simplicity, it’s probably the Idealist. If it’s using money to ease the most suffering in the world, then it’s the Caretaker.

"It's Not About the Money"

"It's Not About the Money"

Frugaltopia: Frugaltopians–the 4 of us who run Frugaltopia–are most likely Savers or Guardians, according to your system. (I’m both!) Are there any downfalls to being frugal?

Brent Kessel: The biggest downfall is when we believe that we can obtain ultimate security from our frugality or savings. They are impermanent too. It’s imperative that we stay in touch with our mortality, with the preciousness of life and how quickly security can vanish. This elicits compassion, which is the best antidote to the extreme Guardian (who’s overly anxious about money and safety) and to the Saver (who never gives money away for fear that they might need it one day.)

Frugaltopia: If there’s one piece of financial advice you could give to everyone, no matter what their archetype, what would it be?

Brent Kessel: Look beneath the surface. Your financial life is not dictated by interest rates, investment returns, or budgets. 99% of it is dictated by the unconscious beliefs you have about money. Use my book, or the Cure for Money Madness to uncover the parts you’re not yet aware of.

Thank you, Brent! Learn more about Brent and his work at his web site www.brentkessel.com.


This July 4th Declare Economic Independence

Posted: July 4th, 2009 | Author: Kimberly White | Filed under: Author - Kimberly White, Money, Philosophy | Tags: , , , , | 1 Comment »

Aidan's Independence Day Decorations

Aidan's Independence Day Decorations


What does the recession (ephemistically referred to as “the current financial crisis”) have to do with Independence Day? First read this: The Great American Bubble Machine then come back here so we can discuss.

As Matt Taibbi’s article points out, the problems in our banking system aren’t anything new. In fact, the system has been corrupt since…the beginning. Andrew Jackson said this about it: “If the people only understood the rank injustice of our Money and Banking system, there would be a revolution before morning.”

Now consider the origins of our July 4th holiday. One of the biggest problems the colonists had with the King was that he taxed them excessively and didn’t give them any say in how that tax money was spent. In 1773 they dressed up in disguises and dumped over-taxed imported goods (tea) into Boston harbor. That touched off the Revolutionary War which ended in the birth of our nation. Of course, the war was about more than just money, but my point is that Boston Tea Party was to the Revolutionary War what Rosa Parks was to the Civil Rights movement. Someone finally did what everyone else had been afraid to do, and that ignited the courage and resolve of the less bold.

So this 4th of July I’m looking for, hoping for, a hero who confronts the economic tyranny we are under. But I don’t see any heros on the horizon. The new government hasn’t done anything to hold banks accountable for their monumental swindle mistake. The previous administration did even less. Maybe we need a grass roots movement? But short of pulling our money out of the banks and stuffing it in our mattresses, what can we do? I’ve been writing this blog thinking that the little things would be enough. That if we could learn to consume less, then our greed would atrophy and our culture would shift its focus. But when I think about the enormity of the problem and the powerlessness of “ordinary people” like me, I get overwhelmed and discouraged.

I know this sounds boring and kind of depressing, but that’s what I’m thinking about on this July 4th – economic freedom – how do we get it? I’ll take heart by reminding myself that against the odds the founders of our country declared their independence from tyranny, won that independence, and started a new kind of nation.

We need a new declaration of economic independence. Anyone have ideas?


Perfectly Good Things

Posted: June 25th, 2009 | Author: guest | Filed under: Home, Money, Philosophy | Tags: , , , | No Comments »

By Carolyn Lengel

I grew up frugal—or, as friends put it, “cheap”; my family had the whole reduce-reuse-recycle thing down, or at least the reduce and reuse part (municipal recycling didn’t exist yet where I lived). We grew vegetables, drew on the backs of papers my dad brought home from work, and wore sweaters indoors all winter. And we kept things, even if we didn’t need them anymore, because they were “perfectly good.”

I’m glad for some of the things my parents kept and handed down to my family, like wooden trucks and kid-sized rocking chairs—but these days I’m amazed at how suddenly all the perfectly good things can stop being useful and start being clutter. The lavender and hot-pink bicycle with training wheels was great when my daughter was four, but she’ll never ride it again. The local consignment shop where I used to unload baby items lost its lease years ago. There’s the dump, of course, but how could I stand to throw out all these perfectly good things?

So how to connect my unwanted but still eminently usable stuff with people who would snap it up? I signed up for Freecycle. Local online groups exist all over the country for the sole purpose of connecting one person’s trash with another person who sees it as treasure. Once you join your local Freecycling group, it’s a simple matter to post messages (“Offer: little girl’s bicycle”) and tell respondents where to pick items up. The recipient gets something for nothing; I get rid of things without having to throw them away. And even more satisfying than the extra space in my basement is knowing that somebody else’s little girl is learning to ride that perfectly good bike.

Freecyclers join to get free stuff, too, and sometimes I’m surprised by what’s on offer—just this week, in addition to the ubiquitous baby clothes and (surprisingly) televisions, I saw a pasta machine, a sailboat motor, and a 50-year-old metronome kit still in its unopened box. I try to resist; after all, I’m in it for the joy of unburdening. But every now and then I’ll see an item that makes my frugal heart skip a beat. Tomato seedlings! Extra paint! All the zucchini you can pick! And hey, couldn’t I find some use for that bag of switchplates? After all, they’re still perfectly good.


The ATM: How to Save Money When You’re Trying to Save Money

Posted: May 26th, 2009 | Author: Leora Schachter | Filed under: Author - Leora Schachter, Money | Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , , | 1 Comment »

Money may not grow on trees, but does come on the roll.

Money may not grow on trees, but does come on the roll.


Growing up, I thought banks were meant to hold onto the checks that you received from your aunts and grandmothers on your birthday. As I got a little older, I started to understand that the banks used your money to make loans to other people. And to thank you for using your money, they paid you a little bit each month – something called interest, currently ranging from .25 to 1.5%. (Back in the day, it was more like 2 to 4%, but since the banks made loans to people that could never pay them back, we’re getting less and less.)

The whole point was that the nice people at the bank were there to help you save money. I think that’s why ATM fees infuriate me. And what really gets my blood boiling are the “double” withdrawal fees – not only does the stranger bank (the one who is not your own) charge you a fee to take money out of their ATM, but then you get charged by your own bank too! It means that if you want to take out $100, you’ll end up spending between $2 and $4 per withdrawal. In other words, you’re paying 2 to 4% of your own money TO USE YOUR OWN MONEY! And if you’re keeping track of the math, that’s a whole lot more than the little interest they’re paying you to hold onto your money. Read the rest of this entry »